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	<title>Comments on: State won’t build new ramps on Deegan</title>
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		<title>By: MottHavendude</title>
		<link>http://www.motthavenherald.com/2009/11/24/state-won%e2%80%99t-build-new-ramps-on-deegan/comment-page-1/#comment-698</link>
		<dc:creator>MottHavendude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have already stated my opinions regarding this development, and your specific &quot;concerns.&quot; Regarding the outing, you will be buying drinks for one person, the only person that has been writing under this screen name. However I can drink as much as 3 grown men, so although you are buying for one, the net effect is buying for multiple people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have already stated my opinions regarding this development, and your specific &#8220;concerns.&#8221; Regarding the outing, you will be buying drinks for one person, the only person that has been writing under this screen name. However I can drink as much as 3 grown men, so although you are buying for one, the net effect is buying for multiple people.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Willinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Willinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not simply post the info so that interested parties have reasonable time - rather then holding meetings in the dark, with nothing (that I have found) regarding their discussions about the future of the Deegan?

See Steve Anderson&#039;s excellent site NYC Roads.

If any &quot;community&quot; board wants to discuss any of the area highway, then have them notify that site so he can include it in his site, which has been the standard for info on the area highways.

BTW- Under such an invite, how many people would I be buying drinks for?  I ask this because some of &quot;Motthavendude&#039;&#039;s replies are like they were written by different people- namely regarding my alternative ideas.

Incidentally, what about building your waterfront development with the foundations designed to accommodate the new underground southbound Deegan tunnel?

Such would allow your development to proceed with little or no delay, and to proceed FIRST, but without locking in the elevated highway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not simply post the info so that interested parties have reasonable time &#8211; rather then holding meetings in the dark, with nothing (that I have found) regarding their discussions about the future of the Deegan?</p>
<p>See Steve Anderson&#8217;s excellent site NYC Roads.</p>
<p>If any &#8220;community&#8221; board wants to discuss any of the area highway, then have them notify that site so he can include it in his site, which has been the standard for info on the area highways.</p>
<p>BTW- Under such an invite, how many people would I be buying drinks for?  I ask this because some of &#8220;Motthavendude&#8217;&#8217;s replies are like they were written by different people- namely regarding my alternative ideas.</p>
<p>Incidentally, what about building your waterfront development with the foundations designed to accommodate the new underground southbound Deegan tunnel?</p>
<p>Such would allow your development to proceed with little or no delay, and to proceed FIRST, but without locking in the elevated highway.</p>
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		<title>By: Motthavendude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Motthavendude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not be more direct..if you have a problem with the way the NYSDOT announces meetings, take it up with them. Why come here? If you believe their decision is baseless, take it up with them. You have expressed your opinions repeatedly on this site, and nothing has/will change. If you care as you say you do, why have you not attended community boad meetings? Why have you not spokeen to the NYSDOT? You are all hot air....the fumes from commuting in your car for an hour+ every day are getting to you.

As for the drinks, I am all for them..so long as Douggie is buying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not be more direct..if you have a problem with the way the NYSDOT announces meetings, take it up with them. Why come here? If you believe their decision is baseless, take it up with them. You have expressed your opinions repeatedly on this site, and nothing has/will change. If you care as you say you do, why have you not attended community boad meetings? Why have you not spokeen to the NYSDOT? You are all hot air&#8230;.the fumes from commuting in your car for an hour+ every day are getting to you.</p>
<p>As for the drinks, I am all for them..so long as Douggie is buying.</p>
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		<title>By: Mae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you two meet for drinks and duke it out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you two meet for drinks and duke it out?</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Willinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Willinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your evasiveness and defensiveness is quite telling, Mr. Shill for the wealthy, influential, &amp; thoughtless.

The NYSDOT decision is baseless, and your attitudes admit it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your evasiveness and defensiveness is quite telling, Mr. Shill for the wealthy, influential, &amp; thoughtless.</p>
<p>The NYSDOT decision is baseless, and your attitudes admit it!</p>
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		<title>By: Motthavendude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Motthavendude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAKE IT UP WITH NYSDOT. THE END.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAKE IT UP WITH NYSDOT. THE END.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Willinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Willinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where was any of this done in public on the internet?  I for instance frequently research the area highways, such as via Steve Anderson&#039;s nysroads.com, and saw nothing about any meeting.

In this day and age, why should anyone defend having the discussions -- for such an important matter -- in such traditionally confined circumstances?

Did Robert Moses ever so strongly defend keeping the public so un-informed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where was any of this done in public on the internet?  I for instance frequently research the area highways, such as via Steve Anderson&#8217;s nysroads.com, and saw nothing about any meeting.</p>
<p>In this day and age, why should anyone defend having the discussions &#8212; for such an important matter &#8212; in such traditionally confined circumstances?</p>
<p>Did Robert Moses ever so strongly defend keeping the public so un-informed?</p>
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		<title>By: MottHavendude</title>
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		<dc:creator>MottHavendude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here we go again Douglas. Can somebody please cancel this guy&#039;s internet access. Let&#039;s try this one last time: HAD YOU BEEN TO ANY OF THE PAST 2 YEARS OF COMMUNITY BOARD #1 MEETINGS, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED ALL OF THESE OPTIONS IN DETAIL. YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE KNOWN WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE NYSDOT REGARDING ALL OF THESE ISSUES. YOUR IGNORANCE TO WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT IS PRECISELY BECAUSE YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM RANDOM BLOGS AND NOT FROM THE SOURCE: THE COMMUNITY BOARD MEETINGS.

What you are seeing TODAY is the result of MANY meetings with MANY groups, and we have discussed it and made our decision.  IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY WE MADE OUR DECISIONS, COME TO THE COMMUNITY BOARD #1 MEETINGS, STATE YOUR OPINION, AND ASK WHY WE HAVE CHOSEN OTHERWISE. THE END.

And lastly, if you are unhappy with the NYSDOT&#039;s standard procedures for notifying the public regarding their meetings, TAKE IT UP WITH THEM. The Bronx, nor the Community Board, nor anyone else, makes those decisions.  IF YOU WANT THE NYSDOT TO PUT UP BILLBOARDS ON HIGHWAYS FOR COMMUTERS, GET OFF THE KEYBOARD, GO TO THEIR OFFICE, AND MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION. 

Why are you continuing to waste everyone&#039;s time with ill-informed arguments/recommendations on random blogs? INFORM YOURSELF. STOP BLAMING THE WORLD FOR YOUR IGNORANCE AND LAZINESS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here we go again Douglas. Can somebody please cancel this guy&#8217;s internet access. Let&#8217;s try this one last time: HAD YOU BEEN TO ANY OF THE PAST 2 YEARS OF COMMUNITY BOARD #1 MEETINGS, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED ALL OF THESE OPTIONS IN DETAIL. YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE KNOWN WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE NYSDOT REGARDING ALL OF THESE ISSUES. YOUR IGNORANCE TO WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT IS PRECISELY BECAUSE YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM RANDOM BLOGS AND NOT FROM THE SOURCE: THE COMMUNITY BOARD MEETINGS.</p>
<p>What you are seeing TODAY is the result of MANY meetings with MANY groups, and we have discussed it and made our decision.  IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY WE MADE OUR DECISIONS, COME TO THE COMMUNITY BOARD #1 MEETINGS, STATE YOUR OPINION, AND ASK WHY WE HAVE CHOSEN OTHERWISE. THE END.</p>
<p>And lastly, if you are unhappy with the NYSDOT&#8217;s standard procedures for notifying the public regarding their meetings, TAKE IT UP WITH THEM. The Bronx, nor the Community Board, nor anyone else, makes those decisions.  IF YOU WANT THE NYSDOT TO PUT UP BILLBOARDS ON HIGHWAYS FOR COMMUTERS, GET OFF THE KEYBOARD, GO TO THEIR OFFICE, AND MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION. </p>
<p>Why are you continuing to waste everyone&#8217;s time with ill-informed arguments/recommendations on random blogs? INFORM YOURSELF. STOP BLAMING THE WORLD FOR YOUR IGNORANCE AND LAZINESS.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Willinger</title>
		<link>http://www.motthavenherald.com/2009/11/24/state-won%e2%80%99t-build-new-ramps-on-deegan/comment-page-1/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Willinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is &quot;this&quot; developement-- the specific proposal rather then the concept of the area&#039;s redevelopemet?

Doing the developement first will make burying the highway later way more difficult and expensive- please refer to Brooklyn&#039;s Gowanus Tunnel proposal (NYSDOT) that has evolved towards a waterfront tunnel rather then directly beneath the existing elevated highway.   Why should a particular developement plan proceed without study of alternatives, nor cost studies of different such alternative plans?

Why proceed with this particular plan without even considering a Fort Washington Way &quot;Cromwell Avenue Tunnel&quot; with condifigurations allowing greater flexibility and waterfront access.  How after all is hemming in the existing ELEVATED Deegan making the waterfront more accessible for many people? 

BTW- I support widening the highway right of way, but conditionally that it be undergrounded ala the Fort Washington Way.

As for you last point- because &#039;telecommuting&quot; is infintely more practical- though I will gladly attend any future meetings provided at least some advance notice- again, why nothing upon the billboards along that stretch of I-87 if its a decision more broadly community based.  Please don&#039;t forget that the meeting was publically announced only 3 day befiorehand- and conspiciously not to the using public, and notably so far unreported by the major NY City newspapers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is &#8220;this&#8221; developement&#8211; the specific proposal rather then the concept of the area&#8217;s redevelopemet?</p>
<p>Doing the developement first will make burying the highway later way more difficult and expensive- please refer to Brooklyn&#8217;s Gowanus Tunnel proposal (NYSDOT) that has evolved towards a waterfront tunnel rather then directly beneath the existing elevated highway.   Why should a particular developement plan proceed without study of alternatives, nor cost studies of different such alternative plans?</p>
<p>Why proceed with this particular plan without even considering a Fort Washington Way &#8220;Cromwell Avenue Tunnel&#8221; with condifigurations allowing greater flexibility and waterfront access.  How after all is hemming in the existing ELEVATED Deegan making the waterfront more accessible for many people? </p>
<p>BTW- I support widening the highway right of way, but conditionally that it be undergrounded ala the Fort Washington Way.</p>
<p>As for you last point- because &#8216;telecommuting&#8221; is infintely more practical- though I will gladly attend any future meetings provided at least some advance notice- again, why nothing upon the billboards along that stretch of I-87 if its a decision more broadly community based.  Please don&#8217;t forget that the meeting was publically announced only 3 day befiorehand- and conspiciously not to the using public, and notably so far unreported by the major NY City newspapers!</p>
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		<title>By: MottHavendude</title>
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		<dc:creator>MottHavendude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglass I am very sad to see you are still here making pointless complaints. Why are you here alleging a conspiracy and elitism by the NYSDOT because YOU did not stay abreast to what is happening in MY community? If you have a problem with the standard procedures/announcements the NYSDOT uses to advise the public about hearings, PLEASE TAKE IT UP WITH THEM.  Those that cared enough about it made it their business to stay informed, and attended the meeting.  Had you attended any Community Board #1 meeting, or this meeting, you would note &quot;elitism&quot; is the last word used to descibe those contesting the Deegan ramp extension.

If it were up to me I would elminate the Sheridan, greatly limit truck traffic and have 90% of distribution done by rail/barge in and out of Hunts Point, NOT expand any other highways in the city, bury all highways, and filter accordingly.  However, life is not fair, and as a result, you must pick and choose your battles...welcome to the real world. The &quot;Fort Washington Way&quot; is a great idea, and if it were up to me I would do it, but let&#039;s get back to reality.  The redevelopment will NOT proceed should that requirement be implemented because it is too costly when combined with this new redevelopment. 

So as a community we had a decision to make: Is it more important to redevelop the area, provide a significant amount of new qualilty, affordable housing, parkland, retail, pedestrian zones, bike trails, open waterfront, and improved infrastructure, OR Is it better to expand the Deegan ramps first, which would cut off the waterfront and permanently diminish the potential for this development.  The community chose to move forward with this development, and to revisit the extension of the Deegan ramps later, because we have the opportunity RIGHT NOW to make this dream happen. It may not happen again in our lifetimes...as it has taken decades just to get to this point.

Would the community like to have all highways buried and filtered? YES.  Will we kill this development for possibly our lifetime just so that we can get a stretch of the highway buried? NO.  

Had you attended any of the Community Board #1 meetings, you would have had the opportunity to state your case and convince people otherwise. But you chose not to...so you don&#039;t care. If you did care, you would have made it your business to attend the meetings, but instead you choose to complain and whine on a blog. 

We, as a community, and the city of NY, will move forward with this development because we have the opportunity NOW, and will revisit the Deegan ramps and possible &quot;Fort Washington Way&quot; proposal IN THE FUTURE.  Don&#039;t like this decision? Get off the keyboard, drive down to the Community Board #1 meeting, and state your case. Otherwise, why do you continue whining on these blogs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglass I am very sad to see you are still here making pointless complaints. Why are you here alleging a conspiracy and elitism by the NYSDOT because YOU did not stay abreast to what is happening in MY community? If you have a problem with the standard procedures/announcements the NYSDOT uses to advise the public about hearings, PLEASE TAKE IT UP WITH THEM.  Those that cared enough about it made it their business to stay informed, and attended the meeting.  Had you attended any Community Board #1 meeting, or this meeting, you would note &#8220;elitism&#8221; is the last word used to descibe those contesting the Deegan ramp extension.</p>
<p>If it were up to me I would elminate the Sheridan, greatly limit truck traffic and have 90% of distribution done by rail/barge in and out of Hunts Point, NOT expand any other highways in the city, bury all highways, and filter accordingly.  However, life is not fair, and as a result, you must pick and choose your battles&#8230;welcome to the real world. The &#8220;Fort Washington Way&#8221; is a great idea, and if it were up to me I would do it, but let&#8217;s get back to reality.  The redevelopment will NOT proceed should that requirement be implemented because it is too costly when combined with this new redevelopment. </p>
<p>So as a community we had a decision to make: Is it more important to redevelop the area, provide a significant amount of new qualilty, affordable housing, parkland, retail, pedestrian zones, bike trails, open waterfront, and improved infrastructure, OR Is it better to expand the Deegan ramps first, which would cut off the waterfront and permanently diminish the potential for this development.  The community chose to move forward with this development, and to revisit the extension of the Deegan ramps later, because we have the opportunity RIGHT NOW to make this dream happen. It may not happen again in our lifetimes&#8230;as it has taken decades just to get to this point.</p>
<p>Would the community like to have all highways buried and filtered? YES.  Will we kill this development for possibly our lifetime just so that we can get a stretch of the highway buried? NO.  </p>
<p>Had you attended any of the Community Board #1 meetings, you would have had the opportunity to state your case and convince people otherwise. But you chose not to&#8230;so you don&#8217;t care. If you did care, you would have made it your business to attend the meetings, but instead you choose to complain and whine on a blog. </p>
<p>We, as a community, and the city of NY, will move forward with this development because we have the opportunity NOW, and will revisit the Deegan ramps and possible &#8220;Fort Washington Way&#8221; proposal IN THE FUTURE.  Don&#8217;t like this decision? Get off the keyboard, drive down to the Community Board #1 meeting, and state your case. Otherwise, why do you continue whining on these blogs?</p>
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